求F15和Su27格斗问题

kfb911

原帖由 iceviper 于 2010-1-10 22:21 发表



你有机会自己去找人试试就知道哪个是对的了

如果对手枪法好的话应该是给别人当靶子，如果RP值高对手打不中后就可能冲前。我自己跟AI的时候，如果跟得太近就经常被AI这种搞法弄得冲前，虽然有射击机会但是枪法烂打不中，就冲前了。

iceviper

那样的话，是你的能量和位置控制不行，AI的战术很简单，很单一，如果你弄清楚了，他的这种动作是没作用的

kfb911

顺便请教一下各位机炮达人，你们做桶滚的时候是一边做桶滚动作一边向后看敌机吗？我做的时候（尤其是在低空）必须看着前方，如果向后看动作就要停下来，看一眼后回头才能继续滚。因为我空间感比较差，如果不停下来在低空就会撞地上。

所以在低空疯狂桶滚的时候经常没法看后面，敌机位置不能时刻掌握，有时滚了半天不见AI了，有时滚着滚着---咦AI怎么跑前面了

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Mutha

这玩意儿只是个粗糙的示意图，你想真正理解滚转剪刀的动态，只有跟人飞了才行。

iceviper

一般都只看敌机，做动作的时候只看敌机。

Mutha

1.火候还差得远啊
2.有个TrackIR会让事情好办许多

P.S.像饺子这种人是不需要“向后”看敌机的……

[ 本帖最后由 Mutha 于 2010-1-11 00:21 编辑 ]

kfb911

原帖由 iceviper 于 2010-1-11 00:12 发表
那样的话，是你的能量和位置控制不行，AI的战术很简单，很单一，如果你弄清楚了，他的这种动作是没作用的

谢谢指点。我现在只能稳定的跟在做桶滚的F16 F5之流后面0.6nm处，再近就很容易跟丢。

苏系列AI不喜欢桶滚，喜欢像阿汤哥那样突然拉起。那样硕大的机身反而容易瞄准，很容易打中。

幻影那种BT喜欢爬高拉个很大很大的迎角，F15跟不了，我只能减速等它下来。不知道这个做法对不对。

kfb911

原帖由 Mutha 于 2010-1-11 00:18 发表
1.火候还差得远啊
2.有个TrackIR会让事情好办许多

P.S.像饺子这种人是不需要“向后”看敌机的……

谢谢指点，知道该怎么努力了。

iceviper

阿汤哥那个动作是要被打惨的

电影只是电影

ko11d

原帖由 iceviper 于 2010-1-10 02:32 发表



楼主对于最大功角的理解可能是抖震功角吧，抖震AOA时飞机已经开始失速了。
这个AOA下机翼上表面的气流开始分离了，如果继续增大AOA，最终气流会“全部”全部分离....

于是真正失速了......

maybe。。。

Mutha

One of the VF-301 RIOs had a day job as a contractor at the Naval Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). While they were making the movie, he had access to the daily rushes (barely edited portions of the movie... they may make the final movie... they may not... and some scenes had different music...etc....). He brought a VHS cassette of some of these rushes to the squadron one drill weekend. All the pilots and ROs crowded into a small briefing room and watched. One of the scenes was the one where they are walking out to man up and Maverick says "I feel the need ... for speed!" and high-fives Goose.
From the back of the crowd one of the ROs says: "Skipper... do we talk like that?"
Without missing a beat, the CO says: "We could start!"

简单翻译（没能力做到原汁原味）：
他们当时在米拉马拍Topgun的时候，我们中队（VF-301）的一个RIO正好被借调到战斗机武器学校工作，并在周末的时候带回来了一些电影片段的录像带。中队所有的飞行员和RIO就都跑到了一间待命室里看这些片断找乐。其中一个场景是一帮人下了飞机从机坪往外走，Maverick傻了吧叽的对Goose说：“I feel the need... for speed!”，然后两人击掌。
这时候人群后面的一个RIO对中队长揶揄道：“头儿，我们平时是这么说话的吗？”
中队长回了一句：“那我们以后就这么说话吧……”

iceviper

Need for speed,这句...成就了一个经典的游戏啊

rois

ten more seconds then iv got him!!

iceviper

i`m engaged with 5 ,repeat 5 ,i`m in deep shit...........

Mutha

The film was made during my one year of retirement while flying for Calfire. (1985)    There were many USN Fighter high rollers @ NKX who were overseeing/consulting and directing the dialog and the chain of events. (Check the credits)     John Lehman had his finger on the pulse because he knew this film may do more to promote the US Navy than could be imagined. D-Hose, checking in to VF-101, returned from retirement in Feb 1986,,,    John Lehman had a 'blow out' at his beach house in VA Beach celebrating the movie: Never seen so many Admirals at a social function. D-Hose, as usual, was very low key and just kinda blended into the woodwork.    The movie captured the 'Fighter Pilot', spirit, aggressiveness, will to win and unsurpassed ego!   From the music through the script it was exceptionally well done.  It should be noted, that during the film, Tom Cruise after a back seat ride in a Tomcat(with Bozo, Abel),  stepped out green, weak kneed and with 2 bags chuck full of barf!    The one shaky scene was the jet wash burner blow out in Zone 5 over the Borrego Desert followed by the flat spin that frizbeed them all the way to the Pacific Ocean!         John was correct..... The Navy, for the following eight years, had exponentially more flight training applicants than the Airfarce.       VR    Hoser

PS:  After Tom's Friday afternoon Turkey flight, that evening, in the WOXOF at NKX, he was officially given the following fighter, life long personal, 'Call Sign'..... "Blowchowski"      

"Ski",  for short!   To this day, if you see him in a croud, yell out "hey Ski"! .....  Tom's head will snap around in your direction!     Kinda like doing the O'l,,,,  "SSSST...SSSST!"  on the street in Olongapo!      HaaarrR!

亮点：汤姆·克鲁斯在电影拍摄过程中曾坐在F-14的后座飞过几次，当他从飞机里出来的时候，脸色发青、两腿发软，还提着整整两大袋呕吐物……

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