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发表于 2008-10-24 18:00:27 | 显示全部楼层
LS。。。兔子是GG来的。。。
发表于 2008-10-24 18:48:52 | 显示全部楼层
An Open Letter to the Community

As often happens in an information vacuum, wild and unfounded speculation breeds accusations and unnecessary emotions. Allow us to clarify some of what has happened over the past week.

Firstly and most importantly, the security of the retail version of the Russian release of DCS: Black Shark was compromised. Understandably, in this situation 1C and ED/TFC had to reconsider their release plans for both the Russian and western versions to make sure the product and the interests of the company are protected as much as possible under the circumstances. Among other changes to the release plan, it was decided that an online version of the Russian release would no longer be offered to western consumers as we had announced earlier. We do not feel it would be appropriate to explain this decision further, except to say that ED/TFC felt it warranted by the circumstances and deemed necessary to best protect the product and the company. It is your right to disagree. Other changes to the plan include increased protection of the western version by means of required activation for both the online download and retail versions. Also, ED will now attempt to provide a western demo of Black Shark sooner than planned. We want to avoid date estimates and exact feature sets for now, but certainly a functional demo before the holidays is the goal. Please remember, these plans remain subject to change and, as you have seen, very well might.

There have also been a lot of questions in regard to the “staggered” release plan and why ED/TFC chose this method. It’s quite simple and relates to ED/TFC’s contractual obligations to 1C, which is their publisher for the Russian release, as opposed to ED/TFC’s independent release of the western version. ED/TFC is under contract with 1C and had to deliver on that product first. Naturally, 1C wasn’t going to wait for ED/TFC to finish the international release while their product set ready to ship. With the Russian release out, ED/TFC can focus on finalizing their independent western release as well (which has now been made significantly more difficult by the events described above).

I also want to address some of the issues I often come across in regard to ED/TFC's relationship with the community and our forum.

We have spent a tremendous effort over the past year to keep the community well informed and up to date with product plans. I would like to remind you of our continual presence on the forum and openness to product questions, nearly monthly development updates, Producer’s Notes videos, general screenshots and videos, feature explainers (radio modeling, AI routines), sneak peeks into some of ED/TFC’s future plans, etc. By “us,” I mean not only ED/TFC staff, but also members of the ED Testers and ED Partners teams, many of whom have been actively supporting product discussion.

Open product discussion does have a price - it may not always turn out to be accurate. Plans change and if we’re going to discuss the product openly, we have to do so with that understanding. If ED/TFC is accused of bad intentions every time something changes, it may be easier to simply not discuss anything at all, which believe me, can be a tempting option, because the level of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” is often disheartening.

In regard to our forum moderation policy, I would like to point out that this is an official company forum and yes, it does in some ways run a stricter moderation policy than some open community forums. Our forum rules are available for viewing and if you find them too strict, you are welcome to use another forum. In general, we ask that members steer clear of insulting each other as well as our products and the companies involved in making them, which is probably the most frequent problem that earns a warning on our forum. There are ways to be critical without being insulting and our forums are full of such examples as well as such critical posters. The other frequent problem would probably be redundant postings after ED or the forum staff have already acknowledged and addressed the issue. Some of the popular themes in this category would be StarForce and missile modeling issues. We make an effort to acknowledge such issues and once we do, continual complaints on them are generally viewed as spamming/trolling the forum and treated as such.

As some of you may know, we had performed a “ban amnesty” earlier this year, where many of our formerly banned accounts were unbanned and allowed back on the forum. This action was not blind and we evaluated accounts on a case by case basis. Unfortunately, some members continue the actions that had led to their original ban and will as such remain banned.

The final issue I want to address is the string of bans on our forum over the past few days. Let’s be clear and please spread the word wherever you see us accused of “random bannings” and otherwise unreasonable moderation – we have recently issued temporary (6 month) bans to over a dozen members after confirming their participation in the illegal distribution of the product. Promises to buy later don’t excuse theft. We continue to track this behavior and will certainly continue to ban any forum member found to be stealing our product. Naturally, we have been actively deleting posts/threads which undermine the security of the product.

Although the western forum remains open to discussion and we will continue to answer questions as we have in the past, product support is now limited to the Russian forum, as the Russian release is the only version currently available for purchase and is limited to the CIS. Product support will be provided on the English forum when the western version is released.

In conclusion, there is a reason we are spending time writing this letter. There is a reason ED/TFC spends time and money keeping a forum and participating in it. If we didn’t feel you were an important part of the product, we wouldn’t be here, talking to you now; we wouldn’t be keeping a 100+ page Q&A thread and we wouldn’t open wishlist threads asking for your input. Just don’t confuse this with the idea that forum members drive development. Forum members contribute to the development process and are certainly on the developers’ minds, but there are many other considerations that must be accounted for to secure the product’s success and the company’s future, without which, none of this would even be possible. We understand and accept the reality that we can’t please everyone all the time. Do you?
发表于 2008-10-24 19:29:52 | 显示全部楼层
1,他们是怎么知道的捏??
2.说实话,我赞同ED的这种做法,只是这样一个ban,一点都不为过
3,虽然在ED的帐号对我来讲,没什么太大意义,不过我还是决定老老实实等正版了
发表于 2008-10-24 19:34:46 | 显示全部楼层
谁给翻译一下吧。。要不教训都学不到
不懂英文的都别在这里硬撑了,和我一起祈求谁翻译一下吧
发表于 2008-10-24 19:58:40 | 显示全部楼层
好长啊。好久不碰英语了,只能看出个大意。
发表于 2008-10-24 20:15:14 | 显示全部楼层
看出个大意也就帮忙翻译个大意吧
发表于 2008-10-24 20:17:47 | 显示全部楼层
简单来说就是,ED很生气,发了封措辞非常强硬的信。。。。。。。。。。
发表于 2008-10-24 20:24:18 | 显示全部楼层
ED生什么气?和楼主什么关系?楼主干了什么?
发表于 2008-10-24 21:03:29 | 显示全部楼层
对我们有用的~
1.俄文版的加密已经很NB了,但是他们要让英文版加密更加NB,下载版和光盘版都得在线激活;
2.别去他们论坛抱怨starforce这类问题;
3.他们确认参与了盗版传播的人会被封ID,不论理由。

[ 本帖最后由 Mutha 于 2008-10-24 21:16 编辑 ]
发表于 2008-10-24 21:06:40 | 显示全部楼层
唉,老子终于磕磕巴巴把长篇大论看完了
ED不是很生气吗,只是解释了一些版本发行方面的问题并且阐述了封杀一些注册用户的缘由---他们伤害了公司产品的利益,“非法分配”公司产品。
还说了说他们对论坛的态度,我觉得有句话挺感人:If we didn’t feel you were an important part of the product, we wouldn’t be here, talking to you now; we wouldn’t be keeping a 100+ page Q&A thread and we wouldn’t open wishlist threads asking for your input.

我反正是磕磕巴巴看的,大概就是这个意思吧,可能有出入,还请高手系统说明下ED声明
发表于 2008-10-24 21:13:50 | 显示全部楼层
兔子GG.  哼哼~

发表于 2008-10-24 21:22:12 | 显示全部楼层
If we didn’t feel you were an important part of the product, we wouldn’t be here, talking to you now; we wouldn’t be keeping a 100+ page Q&A thread and we wouldn’t open wishlist threads asking for your input.

这句也就算是强硬措辞之后的安抚吧,哼哼~~~
不过人家把话说到这样已经很不错了~~~~~~~~
毕竟换了是我也不愿意自己辛辛苦苦弄出来的好东西就这样被~~~
发表于 2008-10-24 21:24:01 | 显示全部楼层
在线激活将会让我等很麻烦。我的现在的WEB版就是在获得429的序列号后等不及跑到网吧获取激活码的。如果在线验证的话,我可能要晚一个星期才能飞1.1的
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 21:34:10 | 显示全部楼层
The final issue I want to address is the string of bans on our forum over the past few days. Let’s be clear and please spread the word wherever you see us accused of “random bannings” and otherwise unreasonable moderation – we have recently issued temporary (6 month) bans to over a dozen members after confirming their participation in the illegal distribution of the product. Promises to buy later don’t excuse theft. We continue to track this behavior and will certainly continue to ban any forum member found to be stealing our product. Naturally, we have been actively deleting posts/threads which undermine the security of the product.

我更关注的是他们如何confirming their participation in the illegal distribution,在此之前的几年在无数场合我反复向所有询问哪里可以下载到DCS的人说"buy a leagal copy“,几天前仅仅因为youtube上某人说他已经运行了DCS所以我通过站内信询问他在哪下的然后很快google了种子然后在咱们论坛上发了个帖,那时候我自己的下载才刚进行到0.5%,直到下载完成这段时间我甚至连ED论坛都没登录过,所以我很好奇他们到底是如何确认我干了这事的,我也很好奇他们确认我该行为的这个过程本身是否也触犯了某些国际法因为从逻辑上讲我完全想不通他们是如何得知的。专门新注册了一个帐号发表了道歉声明然后该帐号被永久性封禁,个人觉得ED这个做得有点过了。如果说新采用的反盗版技术在我不知情的情况下收集了我电脑上保存的个人信息从而依此确认我的行为,那么它的这种行为本身已经严重侵犯到我的个人隐私和安全。

不再多说了,既然ED如此严厉地打击任何盗版行为,那么我们就不要再让他们抓到把柄就是。我对我这次的行为并没有觉得有什么不对的地方,好比热恋中的人总是会犯奇怪的错一样,但同时我承认它确实违法,如果之后ED追究我的责任,我希望按照本国法律进行。另外一方面我想说的是,如果不是因为盗版,在当前中国的这种环境下,很多国外的事物普通百姓估计一辈子都无法接触了解,正是因为有了盗版这种东西,我才会接触到那么多我喜欢的东西,我才会下决心一次次地以几百块钱的价格从网上把它们从国外买回来,有时候甚至会被海关以莫名其妙的原因没收甚至被邮局莫名其妙地弄丢弄坏,都没多少怨言---如果不是因为盗版我想我一辈子都接触不到那些CD、电影、书籍等等。我个人的理念是我以后做的软件、音乐、电影,随便你盗版,但你喜欢的话请支持一下正版让我能维持生计。至于ED,我们就按它的标准做好了,尽管我对它这次事件很不满我也不好说什么,毕竟我确实做了,希望有朝一日我能开家软件公司在国际军用模拟软件市场上取代ED然后好好嘲弄它一番,当然这只是意淫而已。

我对过分的反盗版行为和盗版行为都持反对态度。以上仅为个人观点和看法

[ 本帖最后由 kiss4luna 于 2008-10-24 21:36 编辑 ]
发表于 2008-10-24 21:40:48 | 显示全部楼层
跟某个组织的嘴脸形成很大的反差!!!先支持一下买套正版DCS来弥补吧哈哈
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