现代空战---超视距空战

flanker011

MIG-29和SU-27之战大家都应该听说过吧，双方发射的R-27ER命中了几枚？发射了几枚？

饺子啊。。。那次没用过ER，用的是R。

rois

Operational History

The AMRAAM was used for the first time on 27 December 1992, when an USAF F-16C shot down an Iraqi MiG-25 that violated the southern no-fly-zone.AMRAAM gained a second victory in January 1993, when an Iraqi MiG-23 was shot down by a USAF F-16C.The third combat use of the AMRAAM was in 1994, when a Serbian J-22 Orao aircraft was shot down by a USAF F-16C that was patrolling the UN imposed no-fly-zone over Bosnia. In that engagement at least 3 other Serbian aircraft were shot down by USAF F-16C using AIM-9 missiles. At that point three launches in combat resulted in three kills, so in the second half of the 1990s AMRAAM was informally named "Slammer".In 1998 and 1999 AMRAAMs were again fired by USAF F-15s at Iraqi aircraft violating the No-Fly-Zone, but this time they failed to hit their targets, probably because they were fired at their limit effective range so that Iraqi pilots were able to outmaneuver them.During the spring of 1999, AMRAAMs saw their main combat action during Allied Force, Kosovo campaign. Six Serbian MiG-29 were shot down by NATO (4 USAF F-15C, 1 USAF F-16C, 1 Dutch F-16A MLU) all of them using AIM-120 missiles (even if the kill by the F-16C may have happened due to friendly fire by a SA-7 MANPADS fired by Serbian Infantry).In this campaign, NATO fighters fired more AIM-120 to their targets to achieve these 6 kills.

As of mid 2008, the AIM-120 AMRAAM has shot down nine enemy aircraft (six MiG-29, one MiG-25, one MiG-23, and one Soko J-21 Jastreb or J-22 Orao.

The AMRAAM was also involved in a friendly-fire incident when F-15 fighters patrolling the Southern No-Fly Zone inadvertently shot down a pair of U.S. Army Blackhawk helicopters.

铁鸟37

无语......LZ你这是在诋毁客观事实！建议下次说话前先想想要说的是什么吧。

米格001

拜托   下次中文！~~~~~~~

iceviper

趋势只是趋势，现实却是现实，如果CAC不会发生，AIM-9X还有什么装备的意义？
就算是四个字，以防万一，楼主的观点也被完全反驳了

netpingcn

按照大家的说法就是现代空战还是以近距离格斗即所谓的狗斗为主咯？？中程导弹和远程导弹只是鸡肋罢了？

mbzps

LS各回帖有谁说中远程导弹是鸡肋不？这是LS你自己说的，要客观的看待别人的说法，不要自己加深程度，曲解别人的意思。

foxwxl

同上，LZ不要枉然曲解他人的说法。

现在的空战，BVR已经逐渐成为了主流，但是CAC仍然是必不可少的，在目前这个阶段，想要全面BVR解决空战是不现实的

iceviper

原帖由 netpingcn 于 2009-5-12 13:15 发表
按照大家的说法就是现代空战还是以近距离格斗即所谓的狗斗为主咯？？中程导弹和远程导弹只是鸡肋罢了？

虽然我们都没这么说，但你要这么曲解，那我就给你数据。
上面Rosi的AIM-120击落数你自己也看到了，一共是9架
实际在海湾战争中只发射了4枚，2枚命中

AIM-7M在1991年海湾战争中一共击落了22架战斗机和3架直升机，一共发射了33枚，命中率73%

AIM-9在海湾战争中击落了12架敌机，发射了14枚，命中率高达86%

M61A1机炮击落两架，我们算在AIM-9里好了，两架视距内因机动而坠毁的MIG-25，也算在AIM-9里，

视距内一共是16架。楼主自己算算，22架BVR，16架近距。很显然通过实际数据我们知道BVR是重要的，但格斗是会发生的，而且几率还不小。但你在一楼所说的，现代空战根本不给你近距格斗的机会，从何说起？
基本上都是超视距，这两架机炮和12架AIM-9的记录怎么说？

不要把网上说的导弹无敌论带到这来，越战时美军认为机炮没用，于是把机炮拆了下去，害苦了飞行员，直到现在F22上都还带着机炮，你能说他没用？没用为什么不拆下去减轻重量？

lincxe

按LZ得说法还要F22这类飞机干嘛，用B-52挂个几十个主动弹不是称霸天空

rock8869

楼主，咱们别灰心，花田时间看看，就明白了大家是想劝你来3GO，欢迎你早日获得CHN的编号。

rock8869

这个问题其实很简单，好比一个无疑高强的人，中程蛋和近距弹就像一把剑和一把匕首的关系，没有孰优孰劣的对比关系，只是是否需要和适合的说法。什么情况用什么家伙就是了。

lc459

我来用个直观的比喻吧！
八路军和小鬼子都有枪了，可是为什么还用刺刀和大刀呢！
自己体会吧

4S级服务

错了，LZ，

你发现的最大问题是在于LO没有将导弹模拟到真实，

再有就是可视距离太不可思意了点，配制越好，看得越远。

不知道现实中能否在20公里外能见到小黑点？？/