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究竟谁是朝鲜战争空战的胜利者?

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发表于 2007-8-3 21:56:55 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
好象米国说是 7比1

       中国说是大胜

到底谁赢了?能提供些资料么?
发表于 2007-8-3 22:13:17 | 显示全部楼层
U.S. F-86 pilots claimed 792 MiG-15 s shot down and 108 additional aircraft for the loss of 78 Sabres, a ratio in excess of 10:1. Some post-war research has only been able to confirm 379 victories, although the USAF continues to maintain its official credits and the debate is possibly irreconcilable. Recently exposed Stalin-era Soviet documentation claims that only 345 Soviet MiG-15 s were lost during the Korean War.

The Soviets claimed about 1,300 victories and 335 MiG losses at that time. China’s official losses were 231 planes shot down in air-to-air combat (mostly MiG-15) and 168 other losses. The number of losses of the North Korean Air Force was not revealed. It is estimated that it lost about 200 aircraft in the first stage of the war, and another 70 aircraft after Chinese intervention. Soviet claims of 650 victories over F-86s, and China’s claims of another 211 F-86s in air combat, are probably exaggerated. According to a recent U.S. publication, the number of USAF F-86s ever present in the Korean peninsula during the war totalled only 674 and the total F-86 losses due to all causes were about 230.[44]

Direct comparison of Sabre and MiG losses seem irrelevant, as primary targets for MiGs were heavy B-29 bombers, and primary targets for Sabres were MiG-15s.
发表于 2007-8-3 22:13:48 | 显示全部楼层
中国吧.
发表于 2007-8-3 22:20:37 | 显示全部楼层
很想知道米格走廊是不是中国建立的~~~~
表说我火星~~~
发表于 2007-8-3 22:23:15 | 显示全部楼层
中国人输了,美国人亏了,苏联人赢了
发表于 2007-8-3 22:23:25 | 显示全部楼层
貌似不是中国......
发表于 2007-8-3 22:35:09 | 显示全部楼层
实话来说,韩战中国空军并没有占到什么便宜.
战术上来讲.空战交换比大体是1:1,但要知道,这里面美军的损失包括了F84,F80甚至是B29,F4U等等全算上的,而中方损失的几乎全是MIG15(除了轰炸大小和岛时损失的那几架LA11和TU2).而老美说的10:1指的是F86对MIG15的单独交换比,当时的中国空军对老美可以说是很惨的,而且大部分的空战战果实际上是由苏联空军打的.还有经常用来作证那个击落戴维斯的中国飞行员,很少有人知道,他和他的僚机再击落戴维斯后紧接着就被击落了,一死一伤.
再从战略上来讲,因为苏联空军援战是秘密性质的,所以有严令要求所有MIG不能前出作战,只能保卫中国领空,以防飞机被击落飞行员落入敌手.这就造成了在整个韩战其间,志愿军始终没有空中支援,不要说前线制空权的争夺,连运输线的空防都只能依靠地面高炮,美军飞机在整个朝鲜上空没有任何阻拦,这也是韩战中空军无力的最好证明

[ 本帖最后由 ArrowD 于 2007-8-3 23:46 编辑 ]
发表于 2007-8-3 22:54:06 | 显示全部楼层
概括说就是美国空军实现了战略目的和战术作用(该做的基本都做到了),但面对一个弱小的空军付出的代价比预期大太多了,所以亏了

中国空军在为数不多的出动机会中里付出了极大的牺牲击落了一些敌机,有限的干扰了老美的制空权,但基本没有对整体战况起到支援,所以输了。

苏联空军在秘密出动的情况下,在我方控制区里屡屡击落入侵过深的敌机,用很小的交换比猎杀到了很多战果,有利的支援了中国空军,所以说赢了
发表于 2007-8-3 23:14:17 | 显示全部楼层
把米格走廊看了,是苏联VS美国.
发表于 2007-8-3 23:15:14 | 显示全部楼层
世界首次喷气式战斗机决战.美英国共有33名飞行员被击落失踪.
发表于 2007-8-3 23:19:01 | 显示全部楼层
你们的E文都超好的说,M仔以后帮我翻译E文的学术Paper:0:
发表于 2007-8-3 23:48:31 | 显示全部楼层
公说公有理、婆说婆有理
发表于 2007-8-4 10:16:57 | 显示全部楼层
很明显美国赢了,实力在那里
 楼主| 发表于 2007-8-4 10:47:25 | 显示全部楼层
是啊,中国说几个农民伯伯训练个把个月就把美国王牌打的抱头鼠窜,米国人集体自杀好了

打下几个飞机,我信。大胜米国空军,蒙谁去!
发表于 2007-8-4 11:40:18 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵!!!!:0(13):
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